Feb 152010

Update Regarding Avvo & Their Defective & Biased Attorney Rating System

Evidently, there are more attorneys and members of the public who are disappointed and upset with Avvo’s attorney rating system.  I won’t link to Avvo here because I’m not interested in driving traffic to their site.  Some visitors to my site get here by using Avvo related searches linking to my posts from a couple of years ago that are critical of Avvo.  You can read those posts here.

In summary, Avvo asks attorneys to “claim” their attorney profile by completing a profile much like that on LinkedIn or Facebook.  However, unlike any other online networking site, which permits you to cancel your membership and erase your information, Avvo doesn’t permit this.  Once an attorney “claims” their profile, they’re stuck; it can’t be “unclaimed.”

Yesterday, I received two emails from an attorney in another state who wishes to remain anonymous (without substantially editing, I combined the two emails into one:

Mr. Krugel,

I’m an attorney in Timbuktu. After claiming my AVVO profile, I immediately realized that this company is running a scam.  I did some internet searches and came up with your website.  After an attorney gave me an endorsement, I rated a mere 6.4 by some arbitrary computer algorithm. I than realized that attorneys with 10/10′s basically circle-jerk each other with endorsements to get those high ratings. I don’t know enough attorney’s who have claimed their profile to have them endorse me, and I can’t in good conscious subject other unknowing lawyers to claim their profile and endure computer generated defamation. Have you figured out any way to unclaim a profile and/or get rid of their arbitrary rankings? I’m trying to figure out how to get rid of this artificially low rating without being unethical.

Eventually I can foresee other lawyers bringing a new lawsuit on different grounds against the company.   Their 1-10 ranking system seems arbitrary, and goes beyond mere opinion because a computer is assigning the number.   AVVO isn’t going into the legal community and asking other lawyers and judges about individual attorneys.  They give you a low rating and then it’s up to you to “recruit” people onto AVVO to endorse you. The whole thing seems wrong.

The “scam” aspect referred to is new to me, but it appears that they’re correct.  Furthermore, Avvo’s system is biased against solo and small firm attorneys because completing a profile on Avvo, including obtaining testimonials, takes many hours.  If you don’t put the hours into this endeavor, your attorney score (rating) remains low.  Solos and small firms don’t have the overhead to handle this.  Larger firms can have their administrative staff, clerks, paralegals, etc., do this work for them.

Also, we have to solicit the testimonials, but based on my understanding of AVVO’s system, the people providing these testimonials have to create some sort of an account and provide AVVO with personal information.  This was one of my motivations for creating my own “Client Testimonials” page.

My main beef with Avvo though is the fact that they won’t let me and other attorneys “unclaim” our profiles.  Personally, I could care less that they have me listed on their site, I just don’t want it indicated that I “claimed” my profile, when in fact, I disavow it and Avvo’s system.

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Avvo Love Fest - Avvo Blog said,

February 17, 2010 @ 1:00 pm

[...] Attorney, Charles Krugel, really wishes we would just go away. [...]

charlesakrugel said,

February 18, 2010 @ 10:57 am

You misrepresent my criticism of you guys. I don’t care whether you exist or not; I’m indifferent. Also, I could care less that I’m listed on you site. I just “wish” that I could “unclaim” my profile. That’s the key. You hold people who don’t want to be involved with you hostage by not permitting them to “unclaim” their profile. I said so in the posts you link to. By doing this, you’re being sleazy and probably unethical.

Charles Krugel

Ohio personal injury lawyer said,

February 22, 2010 @ 4:33 am

Another cool post. Looking forward to more of your writings

NC Lawyer said,

June 2, 2010 @ 4:48 pm

I have a high rating on AVVO—it was 10.0 last year, and is close to that this year. Based on my admittedly limited experience, I think the rating changes on or about January 1. I also think my rating was high in part because I had a lot of “extracurricular” thinks on my profile—volunteer work for a professional association, volunteer work for a charity, and membership in Superlawyers and Best Lawyers. My rating went down on or about January 1 and then went back up after I updated it with my 2010 stuff. I have no lawyer to lawyer referrals on the profile, but I have given a couple. I do have 2 or 3 client recommendations on the site. My conclusion is that the algorithm is fairly sophisticated, and things like volunteer work and “Superlawyers” seem to matter to it.

charlesakrugel said,

June 6, 2010 @ 4:45 pm

Thanks for your comments. My key issues with Avvo remain the same. They don’t let you “unclaim” a profile, and it takes a lot more time than it’s worth to complete a substantive profile.

Robert O. Harker said,

June 24, 2010 @ 5:33 pm

I have a complaint re AVVO which might be new to you. I have a disciplinary record with the State Bar of California, and I voluntarily resigned my Bar membership in November, 1986. However, I petitioned for reinstatement in 2000, my petition resulted in a trial before the State Bar Court; the Judge issued a multi page decision showing a number of facts supporting my claim that I was fully rehabilitated and recommending that I be reinstated. That decision was approved by the California Supreme Court in the Spring of 2001 and effective May 23, 2001, I was permitted to the active practice of law. I have been actively practicing full time since then.
Now, I find that AVVO has given me a rating “extreme caution” and published it—anyone seeking a Pasadena conservator attorney thru Google will find me including AVVO’s “extreme caution” rating. When I complained to AVVO I was informed that they used a mathematical model which is completely objective, so they would not change it. Since then they sent me an email stating that they might respond favorably if I would give them more information.
“Extreme caution” is not ever used by the State Bar, so a potential client may well infer that it means “stay away from this lawyer.” This is an economic disaster for me, but I am reluctant after reviewing your comments re AVVO to deal directly with them. Have you heard of AVVO doing this before.
I will greatly appreciate your reply.
Thanks,
Robert O. Harker

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